Patience is a virtue

Vox Popoli: Too little, too late?

...but what was once a morale booster has become an irrelevance.

The Q anon movement has one of the most difficult challenges: to save The People from themselves, without creating a messianic figurehead.

To cite a parallel in scripture:

Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. And he said to them: “Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.” - Acts 5:34-39 (NKJV)

It is not difficult to create a movement, especially if one is good at emotional alchemy. If I can understand how to convert other people's emotions into actions, then I can become quite popular and a movement will come up around me, for at least two reasons. The first reason is laziness, in that humans will by default take the path of least resistance, and so if that means anointing someone over themselves who will do what needs to be done, time and again history has showed this is exactly what people will do, even to their detriment. 1 Samuel 8 records an example of this phenomenon. Now, this laziness is not an inherently "bad" trait, in that another way to look at it would be as "efficiency", in that spending time and effort on things which do not confer a survival or reproductive advantage will obviously prevent the maximization survival and reproductive success, and so such waste should be avoided.

The second reason is the phenomenon of salvation-by-association, or its antithesis, damnation-by-association, in that the adage "it's all who you know" has some truth to it. If we are in close relationship with God, that says something about us. Who we know, who we choose to associate with, and who in return chooses to associate with us, is not insignificant. In the wild, creatures are rarely alone, and both r and K strategists have groupings of their kind. Being isolated from "your people", or "your savior", is a terrible state to be in, and the power of exile, which lives on in banning, holds such a significant connotation because of what such an act would have meant throughout human history.

My wife recently asked me about the "place in society" for narcissists, and the conversation rapidly spiraled in scope as I tried to explain how, historically, they didn't have one, but in modern times, because the cost of depravity is so low, that we are nearly forced to demonstrate narcissistic traits just to survive. That, if we are not protected from being screwed over by others by understanding how people screw other people over, we're likely to get screwed and be at a loss to understand how to behave differently to prevent such exploitation from being repeated again in the future.

That, in some ways, the best means to avert being exploited by someone else is to use their same tricks better than them, but instead of misdirecting them to your own benefit, you simply send them away so that no further exploitation is possible. You use the power of the tools to defuse the circumstances, not keep them going, lest one become intoxicated by the power they wield and become the very thing they'd sought to avoid.

So, for those two reasons, it is just easier for people to look up to someone who has such power and can use it wisely, to someone who can save them from themselves, to offload their own personal responsibility to someone else who can make the decisions for them, to place someone else in a position of authority or power so that the individual is "set free" of such burdens.

That's where Q, whoever it is, has to play a very delicate game, because to really solve the issues in the United States of America, The People need to do the opposite. Instead of putting other people in power over us, we need to own and accept responsibility for our choices. Instead of giving up power to someone else, we must grow in our own strength and maturity.

We must reject our nature and go beyond it, but how can someone inspire someone else to save themselves?

To start, a framework for needing to be saved must exist, and this was generated by Q in detailing how evil and corrupt and terrible things are, and people just don't know it yet, don't accept it, don't understand it. Without this foundation, no further actions can be made, because if there is nothing that people need saving from, then why all the fuss?

Once the framework has been set up, there must be an understanding of responsibility, how things are supposed to be based on how things are now. An example of this might be President Trump hitting a legislative wall that he cannot burst through, but instead of trying harder to do just that, he steps back, shrugs, and says "I am not supposed to be breaking this down in the first place."

To his supporters and opponents alike, this will look like weakness, like giving up, and it will inspire action.

You see, President Trump can't just solve all the problems and then walk away, because when people get things done, when someone saves someone else, a relationship forms which does not go away once all the problems have been dealt with. There will remain the shared history, the debt to be repaid, and I am willing to bet that Trump understands this and wants none of it, because it is that kind of debt which clouds reality.

So Trump, to prevent becoming King, cannot be anything more than a President, but that does not mean he cannot make a big show of the limitations, or lack thereof, for the office in which he currently serves.

Trump needs the people to understand what a President is supposed to be, how they are supposed to act, what the expectations are, because while Trump was elected by many to grenade the existing system, the emotional desire to burn it all down was going to neglect the good and the bad in the system. People weren't going to learn anything if Trump did all the work, and Trump was the "last hope" to try and fix the system from within.

If Trump "can't do it", if the system is truly beyond repair, then Trump doesn't matter. The wall doesn't matter. Draining the swamp doesn't matter.

Because all of those things only really matter, in the grand scheme, if the system will keep going as it has.

Do people really think that, when Civil War V2.0 gets started, that the existing border between the United States and Mexico won't change?

Does a system of surveillance that relies on the internet retain its power to interfere with people's privacy if there is no electricity?

Does a centralized government which has created a police state still have the ability to uphold an oppressive rule of law thousands of miles away when they cannot even communicate across a single city effectively?

These types of questions are what folks should be asking themselves. These are what should frame the reaction.

It would be great if Trump succeeds, if he can pull off all that he set out to, but if he can't, it won't really matter what he has or hasn't pulled off in the first place. He's bought people time either way, and that is a gift.

With Q then, people are getting frustrated because predictions are made but not fulfilled. Ruminations of action, but no results.

The thing is, whoever is behind Q can't be operating on any sort of different MO than President Trump. They are trying to serve a purpose, to fulfill a role in the story, but they cannot become a messiah. Q can't "save the country", but it can lay the groundwork for The People to do so themselves, or if nothing else, again, prepare them for what will come by expanding their understanding of just how depraved anyone around them could really be.

Time will tell what the fruits of Trump and the folks behind Q are, because if they're already fighting Civil War V2.0, if there's a cold war going on for the control of the throne, then the dust hasn't truly settled, we are still in the chaos and "fog of war", and it would be delusional to think that we can properly judge their actions based on the information we have available.

What looks stupid, cowardly, unwise in one moment may no longer look so when further context is added in. When perspective is gained.

And we're denied that, because we can't foresee how things will really play out.

Perhaps, in time, even electing Trump will have been considered a mistake, because had Clinton won, the patient which was already too far gone could have been left in peace instead of going through painful treatments with no hope of success. That, instead of trying to fix the system, we could already have scrapped this one and been well on the way to trying something new.

Unless you, or I, know at least as much as Trump does, as the folks behind Q do, it's from a position of ignorance that we sling our barbs, our criticisms, and so while providing feedback is not a bad thing, it must be tempered with at least the ponder of "why didn't they do what appeared obviously in their best interests to do?"

Trump still needs to hear the fervor, the passion, the support of his goals and the frustration when they are not satisfied from The People who have his back, but if nowhere but your own mind, actually disqualify the alternatives to stupidity and cowardice before presuming those completely explain what is observed.

And then make preparations of your own. And then wait and see what happens.

There's always a reason, even if it's poor, for why someone does something. Time always ends up revealing that, taking away the guesswork of mind-reading.

Q is not a savior

In our current world, it's hard to get folks to operate outside a binary. As before, to go beyond a binary requires discernment and critical thinking, two skills which go hand-in-hand, and also two skills which people have not bothered to develop.

Resource abundance removes selective pressures, makes survival easier for everyone, and because we are naturally efficient creatures, we're not inclined to waste time and energy on anything not required of us.

For the same reason that we must fake physical strain and toil through exercise because our lives do not otherwise require such efforts, we must also synthetically apply intellectual struggle to separate out the good ideas from the bad. These are all externally motivated, because of the truth behind the phrase "ignorance is bliss".

So, all that said, when I bother to actually go look at the raw posts, and see something like #2526, it's a useful reminder that, just like Trump's Presidency, nothing is guaranteed in this life when it comes to human affairs. People make plans, but people are fallible, and so while they may be useful, you should not place your hope in them.

"A WORLD UNITED IS A BEAUTIFUL THING."

Really?

But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth. - Genesis 11:5-9 (NKJV)

If God didn't think too highly of a unified world, why should we?

"People are inherently good."

Really?

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. - Romans 1:20-23 (NKJV)

From a dialectic standpoint, these claims are just absurd, especially as Q has a penchant for using the framing of spiritual warfare, making overtly religious statements, and even citing verses from scripture and so forth.

It's because people are not inherently good that we were kicked out of Eden. Adam, because he was pussy-whipped and cowardly, and Eve, for being gullible and greedy enough to believe that equality with God could, or should, be attained. These two existed before propaganda, before the Frankfurt School, before (((mass media))), before death, before war, before sin had entered the human sphere.

And they still screwed it up. The belief that humanity is "inherently good" requires subscription to delusions which are destructive and suicidal, and this is magnified in that God never found human unity a good thing, because about the only thing that ever reliably unified humans was their opposition to God, taking up arms with their brothers and sisters in rebellion, convinced that this time, this time for sure, their efforts will be successful in overthrowing God.

But, all that said, Q is an avatar of rhetoric, so trying to use a dialectical measure is a bit stupid.

Q is trying to act as a unifying force for "the right", because it currently sits so fractured by arbitrary and irrelevant distinctions that it can be systematically destroyed, and this process was going to be so quick and decisive that "the left" had to go so far as to recruit actors to "play resistance" against them just so that the speed of the defeat was easier for people to stomach.

Oh, we sure fought hard, campaigned and donated as best we could, but in the end we lost fair and square, so let's welcome our new overlords with happiness and not get any ideas about rejecting the authoritarian system we all apparently wanted and needed.

About the only saving grace for "the right" is that, as discussed in the opening, because the resistance against "the left" was fake, their actual skills in undermining "the right", in directing the narratives, in having the patience to implement Fabian strategies, rotted away because they didn't really need those skills any longer.

Gone is the ability to craft a convincing narrative to distract people from what is really going on, because not having needed to be creative, their knee-jerk reactions to try and explain the disparities between what they claimed and what is being observed don't bridge the gap anymore. When the bad consequences of their choices was insulated, contained, always in someone else's city, or state, or neighborhood, it was easy for folks to continue to buy the narrative. To believe that, despite rumors to the contrary, what was claimed is what could be expected.

But the gap is too big now. The consequences are in everyone's face, and the ability for "the left" to weave their fables in a pleasing manner, the spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down, is entirely absent. When a white person who has owned no slaves, and whose ancestors owned no slaves, is being told that they are implicitly racist and guilty of terrible crimes for which reparations are due, there is no "pleasing lie".

An example of a past "pleasing lie" could be seen with abortion. The lie was along the lines of "but what about rape/incest/life of mother?"

It didn't matter if 9 of 10 abortions were because the mother just didn't want to have a child, people could convince themselves that abortion remaining legal had justification.

Divorce is another example. "What about women in toxic relationships?"

Men often knew at least one guy, directly or indirectly, who treated their wives and families poorly, and so it didn't matter if 9 of 10 divorces were because the wife was bored and wanted to trade up on her husband for a new man that made more money or excited her more sexually.

Women's suffrage, legal immigration, the topics are numerous where a suitably convincing lie was told and people thought that they'd be perceived better for going along with the game instead of refusing to play, and since they wouldn't have to live with the consequences of the game, they'd figured they "got away with it".

It's in this same manner that Q is trying to exploit this same dynamic to create a unity that will last long enough to destroy "the left". Q is trying to foster unity for folks on "the right" who have been doubling down on their distinctions for generations, to get them to find common ground with each other long enough so that the plans of "the left" can be broken permanently, forcing them to start over again from scratch.

Q is going to say things that are wrong, superficial, or misleading, because when you are forming unity on more important things, there will be things you have to ignore at a "lower level" when trying to retain focus.

Given Identity > Culture > Politics, Q is going to say things that are trying to appeal to identity which may seem backwards or delusional at the cultural or political level, because it's not until there is unity at the identity level that any of those "smaller" issues could ever be dealt with in the first place.

It doesn't matter if Sessions supported asset forfeiture or marijuana laws if those things assist in breaking the plans of "the left" from coming to fruition. It doesn't matter if Trump executes civilians under martial law if it assists in breaking the plans of "the left". It doesn't matter if Whitaker should recuse himself and doesn't, if his prosecution of the evil assists in breaking the plans of "the left".

What folks need to realize is that the plans of "the left" were laid a long time ago, and until Trump came on the scene, they were well on their way to achieving their goals. Even so, Trump must either break their plans completely, or only end up being a pause button to the whole ordeal. Especially if Trump was approached by existing factions within the government who were already losing a cold civil war that they were fighting in secret, the goal for "the right" cannot be in trying to establish a more perfect political system, but to destroy the plans of their enemies.

I don't ultimately care what laws are broken by the Trump administration if he can successfully derail the demonic globalists plans. If he, and the people he is working with, and the folks behind Q, and so on, can effectively scuttle the globalist agenda, then AND ONLY THEN can the discussions about what our laws and our practices look like under normal circumstances take place.

Q is trying to warm people up to the idea that there is a war, people on the "other side" have already broken laws, and that "our side" has both the moral and pragmatic imperative to do whatever it will take to prevent these plans from coming to pass.

But people aren't ready for that yet. People don't see that we're already in a civil war yet. People are acting like discussions at the political level still matter, that discussing the merits and flaws between two largely similar political positions has a role.

People don't think we're at war, don't think the circumstances are that dire, don't think that their lives are endangered, and don't think that unity with folks they have minor disagreements with is all that important.

This is why Q is important, and useful, in that they are trying to bridge gaps with narratives people can buy into. The narratives may not actually be true, and the results of the choices may not be as advertised, but this is how people have been conditioned, by both nature and nurture, to react, to respond, to think. This is how people function, and so if we want results, we have to do what works, not just what we think should work.

The double-edged nature of this dynamic, though, is that everything Trump and the folks behind Q tries to do to foil the plans of the Neo-Babel globalists, should they fail, becomes another nail in the coffin. Another sin, another offense, another damning traitorous act against the prince of this world.

The harder you try to fight evil, the more evidence evil has that you are good, and the more passionate evil will be in trying to destroy you and everything you stand for. Evil knows its enemy and will act accordingly, and without mercy.

Q is not a savior, because Q isn't actually doing anything. It is a front, a propaganda piece, for those that are, and they are fallible humans with plans that may fail just as much as they seek to cause the failure of the plans of others.

Even if Trump succeeds, sin is still present among us, and will not be conquered until Jesus Christ returns again. So there will still be evil in the world, though its plans for our current age will certainly have been foiled, and the degree to which evil manifests could be curtailed. There will be those with silver tongues that re-learn the skills of deceit and manipulation, to hide their motives behind pleasing lies, and the process starts all over again.

Q is useful, but Q is not a savior, and so while we can cheer on the efforts of those behind Q, pray for them and our President to be successful, we should not place our hope in them, for they may fail.

Instead, we should place our hope in Jesus Christ, put our faith in his work, because we already know the ending of His story for our reality. We already know that Jesus Christ ultimately wins out against evil, and it's not even close. Evil is decimated, able to lay claim only those so foolish to have ignored the constant warnings and cautions that God had sent.

Evil does not win anyone over to "their side" at all, they capture no territory and hold onto nothing.

Good does win in the end, and should Trump and Q be truly aligned with God's work in this world, and should their success be part of the story that God seeks to tell through our times, then praise be to God.

Should their failure, and the expansion of darkness be part of the story God seeks to tell through our times, to demonstrate fully how pathetic and weak, feckless and delusional, humans are to believe that they can defeat evil without a complete reliance on God, then praise be to God.

Whether Trump or Q succeed or fail, you need to be right with God, such that regardless of what circumstances you will face in this life, your fate in eternity is never in question.

Put your faith and hope in Jesus Christ, declare Him as Lord, and call on His strength to repent.

Trust The Plan

After some more pondering, I want to expand on the significance of the phrase "Trust The Plan" oft repeated by Q.

The contrast I want to draw is with that of biblical prophesy, paralleling the contrast between the two ends of the spectrum on determinism. Prophecy is a tricky topic to the extent that one believes the future is or isn't already determined. If the future is, then prophecy is sharing a glimpse of the future. If the future isn't, then prophecy is a glimpse of a possible future.

The reason this is important is because people make plans based on a possible future that they'd like to see manifest. Their ability to accurately predict future states and the steps they'd need to take to actualize that possible future determines their probability of success, and so if one views the future as entirely undetermined, then planning and prophecy are going to be indistinguishable. One, on this mindset, only speaks of what could come to pass, and only coincidentally what actually will.

The alternative, if the future is predetermined and set, is that there is a tangible difference between a plan and a prophecy. I can make a plan to manifest a particular set of circumstances, and if there is one who knows what the future will look like they could elect to reveal it to me for various reasons, but I am otherwise not sharing the future when I share a plan, just a possible one. The future could be known, I'd just need to draw from one who did know it for my plans and my goals to be elevated to the level of prophesies.

In this sense, biblical prophesies speak to a predetermined future. When God says that something is going to happen, it's not just a possibility, it's a revelation from what God has already seen what will come to pass. Time is a trait of our created reality, it is something that began to exist and while we can't escape it in this life, God is already beyond time. As such, the limitations of our consciousness created by our linear experience of time make it very difficult to understand God's perspective, but there is an analogy which can help us begin to grasp this.

Consider the children's book "The Very Hungry Caterpillar." The story exists, it's written, and in reading the story you are not constrained to go through the pages in any particular order. As a reader of the book, you are not constrained by the limitations of the narrative of that book either. You can imagine the caterpillar doing other things, you can read it from the end back to the beginning, but from the perspective of the caterpillar, the story has a definitive beginning and end and progresses linearly.

You sit, with respect to that book, in the same position as God does relative to our reality.

Our "story" has a definitive beginning and end, and for us inside that story we experience it linearly as the caterpillar does his own, but for God there is no restriction on where God can exist within that "story". God can show up at any point, God can "skip to the end", and so forth, all because the reality that we exist in is contained and created by God, in much the same way that Eric Carle created and contained the story of "The Very Hungry Caterpillar".

So, in getting back to the main contrast, many folks treat "Trust The Plan" as if it is a prophetic statement, accurately predicting what the future will really be, instead of exactly what it really is, a declaration that there is a plan, and Q no more knows the future than any of us. It is, when you think about it, an rather benign statement, except for, like the namesake concept for this blog, the context in which it has been applied.

Specifically, in the more informational Q posts, to the degree that they are true they demand a reaction. If the human trafficking, child abuse and sacrifice, cultural corruption and demonic influence throughout the country are all true, then a reaction is required, if not demanded, such that this evil can be rooted out of our country before any genuine peace can be negotiated among those who are trying to avoid and mitigate sin instead of enjoying or enabling it.

The problem for Q is that vigilantism won't solve the problems at the civilization level. While symptoms of the problem, the specific people partaking in or benefiting from such deviant mechanisms, could be punished, that won't deal with the actual problem that inspired and cultivated such behavior in the first place. While action needs to be taken, it can't just be anything, it needs to be thought out, and most people who are receiving information about how bad things have gotten are like "new converts", filled with passion but without proper context and understanding.

one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. - 1 Timothy 3:4-6 (NKJV)

Most folks who are on the "Q Anon" train are only recently becoming aware of the true nature of the evils that have befallen Western Civilization due to apathy and misplaced compassion. Most folks have households which reflect their own sinful participation in the dysfunction of modern and postmodern philosophies with respect to the nuclear family, public education, the purpose and role of politics, and the understanding of the connection between identity, culture, and politics.

Most folks are still being weaned off milk and cannot handle solid foods, they are immature in their minds and in their spirit, so for them to take action right now in response to the depravity at their doorstep would bring judgment on them for their presumptive arrogance in the same way that Satan was for his own hubris. Righteous indignation is not wrong, but without maturity, an individual will not know how to act out on it appropriately, and so it would be better that they simple listen and learn from those with more maturity, and wait to take any action till after they've grown up some more.

This is why "Trust The Plan" should not be viewed as prophecy, it is not indicating that our trust should entirely lay on Q and those Q speaks for, and that we have no work required of us in the meantime. Q wants us to "Trust The Plan" because Q and the folks Q speaks for have an intent to try and do something about the evil they have uncovered, but the average citizen is largely unprepared to handle.

Q needs people to be aware of what has happened, what is happening, to educate people as to why certain actions are done, but this is not to say "we have it all handled" as much as "we're doing something and you aren't ready to participate yet."

This doesn't mean that Q's plan is good, that it'll actually work, or anything of that sort. It's not a biblical prophecy, not given to us from God, such that we can rely on it, put our hope and faith in it, and start looking for indications as to whether it has been satisfied in "our times", or treated with anything resembling such reverence.

"Trust The Plan" is a simple mantra to ensure that those who are not mature enough to handle any subtlety or sophistication, to be able to manage the critical thinking skills required to eventually participate, don't get any ideas that there is a "call to action", because any actions they'd take will actually do more harm than good.

Vigilantism, especially right now, isn't going to change the direction the country is headed on. The inertia built over the past few centuries cannot be changed with a single action, and many of what people would think to do to "bring justice" would not divert the direction at all, but simply add to it even more.

Just look at how many folks struggle applying the distinction between rhetoric and dialectic. Sure folks can parrot definitions, but the number of folks who can then go beyond understanding what they are and do something with them, to demonstrate excellence and true understanding of them, is still very very small. If folks cannot handle these basic communication skills, to know that what they say and how they say it matters, how is anyone to believe that these same folks would understand the impact of public executions or "mob justice"?

"Trust The Plan" might then accurately be completed with "...because even if our plan fails, it is still better than any of your knee-jerk reactionary attempts at justice will be."

Whoever Q is, they're trying to do something, and they're trying to inform people as to why they are doing what they're doing, so folks aren't caught off-guard with a lack of context for those actions. Q is drip-feeding some details of their plans, but not ever intending to act as a prophecy, because people are fallible and their plans still might fail, and that doesn't even account for the fact that Q has outright stated that they use disinformation in their posts because everyone, and not just those whose interests they are trying to work for, is going to get the exact same message at the same time.

Can't say it enough, "Trust The Plan" is not prophecy, it does not excuse any current or future action on part of the individual, and so people need to treat Q in that manner, by first trying to properly shoulder responsibilities that have been shirked for generations. If future circumstances do call on individuals with particular skill sets, folks need to already possess and have honed those skills so they can be of use, but their focus right now should not be on taking action, but growing in the maturity and capability so that when called upon, they can do the most good.

Pray, meme, prepare, so that you are physically, mentally, and spiritually ready to do what will be required.

Thoughts on Q

Of late, everyone seems to be polarizing regarding the cryptic anon known as "Q".

If you are a binary thinker, Q is either horrible, or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The problem with Q though is that when there's no room for "maybe he's wrong about some stuff and right about other stuff, and maybe that's on purpose", it should set off an alarm in your head that there is a false dichotomy being forced onto the situation.

It's odd because, in the election cycle back in 2016, a lot of folks cited how Trump was good at saying something that fell into the category of speech called "rhetoric". In short, rhetoric is largely about emotional impact, and its contrast "dialectic", is about informational impact.

When you use facts and data to try and persuade, you're using dialectic when the circumstances more likely demand rhetoric. So when Trump says he had some 10 billion in assets or whatever, and he literally only had 3, it was rhetoric because what you're left with is "he's not quite as rich as he claimed, but he is still rich."

While factually, literally, inaccurate, rhetoric is not quite the same as lying, which is yet another concept difficult for binary thinkers to grasp.

This oddity is multiplied when you account for the fact that Trump is a negotiator, and you never open negotiations at the price you want. If you're selling, you start high. If buying, you start low. You then haggle towards what the final price would be. Your opening offer isn't a lie, it's an offer, a possibility.

This is where the value of rhetoric comes from. It forces you to consider a possibility, whether true or not, and so someone skilled with rhetoric will make an opening offer that is exaggerated, but sets a starting point for negotiation.

With that in mind, if you think of Q as a negotiator, by default some of the things shared are not going to be true. They're going to be an opening offer, a first stab.

We're in the midst of a cold civil war where a faction of the existing government has been working behind the scenes to secure great power and control for them and their buddies. If you wanted to avert making a cold civil war go hot, because the people whose priorities you share are still blissfully unaware and woefully unprepared, how do you still make progress? How do you "claim territory" in a way which doesn't provoke an escalated response that will not be handled in a calm, rational fashion?

Well, if your enemy has worked behind the scenes, using public narratives to distract, your most viable option is to do the same thing. In such a manner, the enemy can't really blow your "cover" without also blowing theirs. You fight behind the scenes in hopes that, securing victory there, the conflict doesn't spill out into the streets.

So from the outside, to those who are just "awake" enough to realize something is going on, it's going to look like you're doing nothing. And it may be that what you are trying to do might even fail!

The degree to which people loathe or love Q comes off as being tied to their natural level of impatience. Even folks much more intelligent than me haven't successfully resisted the urge to take potshots, apparently unaware how closely their criticism echoes that of the liberals regarding Trump's behavior in public.

Again, though, if Trump is trying to negotiate a  peaceful "civil war", one which avoids wanton bloodshed, he's not going to try and use logic, facts, data, etc. He's going to use rhetoric.

Q acts like a personification of rhetoric. The information may not be accurate, but if that's what you're looking for, you're making a "category error" in understanding the kind of information being presented. For the same reason that facts and data aren't very persuasive, opening bids and disinformation aren't very informational.

The goal isn't to dictate the future in explicit and accurate detail, but to shift narratives and influence possibilities. For example, if a liberal was going to do X, but there is enough clout with Q that something Q posts dissuades the liberal. How would you "prove" that Q did anything at all?

If your opening bid were smaller, how would that have affected the final negotiated price? What about if bigger?

What this "means" is that folks are trying to use the nature of indeterminacy to claim that something someone else is doing is wrong, misleading, or even hurtful, because of how they interpret the cause-effect relationships and the consequences which follow, while hopefully distracting you from the fact that they'll offer no better alternative.

If nobody can predict the future, does that mean Q is "wrong" for trying to influence it to make certain possibilities more probable based on the information that whoever is behind Q has?

Are other prognosticators and translators of current events any more reliable than Q when it comes to details, or are they likewise most accurate when it comes to broad strokes?

Some of the things Q says are true. Some of the things Q desires I also desire.

Some of the things Q says are false. Some of the things Q desires I don't also desire.

But this is true of everyone I know, and not just Q, so why should I or anyone else be forced to "denounce" or "pledge allegiance to" whoever is behind the computer screen?

The shortest answer is "because someone believes their interests are best served by what they are doing regardless of how what they do impacts your interests."

Sure, there are people who have a desire for a messiah that will make too much of Q, but that's the codependent case anytime anyone shows up and claims that they can help solve an issue. If folks are so lazy as to think that a single source of information is all they'll ever need in life, then the problem is those people, not whatever the functional savior it is that month or year.

They're merely someone exploiting the foolish better than anyone else at the time, and are we really going to begrudge them for doing that?

If someone wants to help, immediate acceptance or rejection is foolish. If someone claims to have truth, immediate acceptance or rejection is foolish. Being forced into a binary when there are other viable options is foolish.

The whole circumstance is rather disappointing because, in the need to gain social status, folks have made a claim one way or another with respect to Q, and in so doing, have invited the very opportunity for being exposed as a fool that they believe taking a stance on Q was supposed to have helped them avoid.

Q puts out a lot of opening bids and it is very difficult to see what the counteroffers are, or whether negotiations on a topic have settled, or been responded to directly at all, because this game isn't being played out in the open for all too see. The signals and counter-signals are not meant for the people whose job it is to distract you from what's really going on, and they're not going to send a clear signal back as a response either.

We don't know for sure, and we may not live long enough to know for sure, so be wary of anyone who does know for sure and has follow-up suggestions to you on what you should do next based on their conclusions.

Don't be lazy, test and grow in understanding. Know your options and be willing to stand by the choices you make, regardless of what is popular. Cling to truth and not social status.